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February 19, 2008

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Paul

Can't wait to see the primary results today!

Also, I'm REALLY looking forward to watching Obama stomp McCain in the general election.

Krashkopf

The de-railing of the Hilary Clinyon "inevitability train" is a huge untold success story for the "democratic wing of the Democratic Party!"

NCBlueneck

Poll-driven, focus group, triangulating will-o-the-wisp, DLC/Republican-Lite, chameleon; those are not the qualities I seek in a President.

It's time for a clean break, a new beginning. Billary is tainted material.

I take no small measure of "schadenfreude" seeing her presumed coronation going up in smoke -- in fact I take a rather large one!

Elmer

Clinton's going negative against Obama will only help McCain.

Alex

March 4 can't come soon enough for me! what is troubling about this is the fact that so many dems are so fired up to have her as president!! WTF?

I believe the dem base is much like the repub base. Despite the fact that we know this about hillary, and that in some ways she is alot like GWB, as long as it is a dem president trying to bullshit and manipulate the public and making assinine decisions about wars and such, then it must be okay!!?

TahoeProgressive

I have more respect for a Republican who voted for the war and still supports it than I do for a Democrat who won't take personal responsibility for their vote. John Edwards was adult enough to admit his initial Iraq vote was wrong. Barack Obama spoke against the Iraq war when it was unpopular in '02 and '03. I want a president who gets it right the first time. I can accept one who can admit an occassional mistake. It's too bad the mistake cost so many lives on both sides of the line.

Alex

One more thing! I am beginning to believe that Hillary Clinton would much rather see MCcain as pres than Obama. How dare any other dem challenge her "inevitable" nomination to the presidency so strongly, so brazenly, and so cleverly, and without fear!! How dare he!!

Will B

I wouldn't count her out until two days after the 2008 convention! Hillary and Bill are veteran politicians, probably the best of their generation; and from all appearances they don't like loosing and will do almost anything to win. In just two short weeks she: 1) Broke her 'pledge' to not count MI & FL; 2) Unleashed her campaign dogs on any non-story they can dredge up (plagerism!! Obama's quote came from the MA governor who borrowed his quote from MLK, FDR and TJ); and 3) She's reported to be planning to go after Obama's "pledged" delegates!!! Talk about a democratic process. Hillary and Joe Lieberman are looking more and more alike.

Jonathan

Again, beautiful commentary by Carpenter.

I like the line "... she possessed no real philosophical grounding, that she would blow with whatever the prevailing winds."

It seems a riff on Arrianna Huffington's article "Hillary's too vane [as in a weather vane] to be president" (He PLAGERIZED! Just kidding ...)

Check it:

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-huffington7dec07,0,7649537.story

Hillary's a leader, not a follower. She followed Bush into Iraq, she follows what she perceives as Bush's successful scorched earth campaign tactics, and she follows Obama's words, only a few weeks later.

Thank god people are catching on.

CLP

Hillary caved in to the bullies on immigration, particlarly re: drivers licenses. Immigration is a number one priority for me. My adopted family is from Mexico and we need these reforms.

chris bearde

Some of those on the fence regarding Hillary and Obama had a tough choice in the beginning of this political skirmish, some still do. Its those that see through the blinding souless unlimited power hungry ambition and selfish egomania of the Clintons that have hopefully come to their senses.These enlightened ones can then tip the scales and insure a Democratic victory against an unbalanced and fatally weakened pro-war opposition of old cranky white guys who qualified as active members of AARP long ago.

micberson

It wasn't Hillary that was over confident. It was us on her behalf. We thought she was the one. In the beginning, no one knew who Obama was. Now we know some and like what we hear. Thanks to Hillary for giving us someone to believe in at the start. Now with Obama we can really change things.

neoconned

One has to wonder - have political parties out-lived any real usefulness? Are they not just the jaws of the pliers used to crush what remains of democratic (small d) activity in America? the Republicans have been playing their role since Ronald Reagan, and now both Obama and Hillary have joined the con game.

It's too clear that the decisions have already been made - it's just necessary to make the outcomes happen as planned. The real clue to what's going on is the local FAUX outlet in LA is taking to saying nice things about Hillary and focusing a lot of simplistic attention on Obama's "plagiarism". Not to excuse Obama for not protecting his flanks for using Deval patrick's words, it's looking like the propaganda machine is being adjusted to ensure that the weakest Democrat (Hillary) is Lame John's opponent in November. Based on my subjective local observations, the activity is paying off, with likely McCain supporters asking if Hillary is going to win the nomination.

getaclue

Hillary voted for the Iraw war
Hillary voted for the Patriot Act
Hillary voted for the bankuptcy bill
Hillary voted to authorize war with Iran; parse it any way you like you will never convince me otherwise
Hillary gave a pass on all of Herr Bushie's shitty judges
Hillary voted for the military commissions act

Hillary is a fucking neocon. That's why the MI/Banking complex would be thrilled to have her as Pres, but they'll settle for McCain.

Obama isn't much better.

Our only real progressive candidates were literally shunned out of the race by the corporate media.

Oh, and Hillary would garnishee your wages to hand over to private health insurers, who are at the very heart of our current healthcare crises; you see insurance companies sell insurance not healthcare.

Mooser

I am beginning to believe that Hillary Clinton would much rather see MCcain as pres than Obama.
Alex

Alex, I wish you had not of said that. You have just put words, and the exact, simple, right words to the heretofore nameless dread I have suffered lately. Hilary may not have the resources to win the nomination, but she could sure hurt Obama if she does not give him every ounce of support she can. That is a nightmare scenario.

Mooser

Me, I'm looking forward to a chance to vote for Obama.

Mooser

Can Hilary muscle Obama out at the convention by sheer back-room strength? Tell me it can't happen, please!

Hotrod

PM,
As interesting as all these views are, I want to know which Neocon John McCain is going to pick as VP. The Neocons are not going away simply because an election is taking place and they have been proven to be incompetent liars at every turn. Also, who is Obama going to choose? Will he have to placate the Neocons as well?

Penrod

Both Hillary & McCain are considering Lieberman for their vice presidential running mate. Is it possible for him to run on both tickets? Impossible for him to lose? Joementum at it's best? Well... voters you decide. Do you really want Joe the traitor? No? Then vote Obama!

Richard  White

Just remember that Cheney wanted S. Africa to brand Mandella a terrorist! After all after 27 years in jail he became South Africa's first Black President.

Lj

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Thanks for that, NeoConned! THAT is how Repubs win elections: distill complex policies and themes to simple soundbites. (But in this case, HONEST ones about Hillary's REAL record, and not the "neo-conned" BS answers and Lieberman-lite agenda that the presumptuous, arrogant, and aloof Hillary has been trying to ram down the "democratic side of the Democratic Party" throats these past dozen months.
Amazingly, Hillary is going after Obama's career "experience" and (legislative) accomplishments.
TO which the simple, obvious reply is: "OK, Hillary, WHAT ARE _YOUR_ LEGISLATIVE ACCOMPLISHMENTS?"
(answer- a big, fat, zero, "NONE"!)

And it ain't just Hillary who is trying to ram this Lieberman/neo-con lite agenda down our throats... Dictator of the House NANCY PELOSI could be Hillary's soul-mate twin, SHE, TOO, sees NOT ONE Bush-Cheney atrocity worth working up a sweat to make a major congressional issue (much less turn into a defining Constitutional scandal, i.e. "impeachment is OFF the table.)
The Hillary/Pelosi neoconeed wing today is just about as popular (this early 2008), as the Joe Lieberman/Zell Miller wing it models itself after is!

Lj

Oops! my html tags deleted _neoconned_'s quote from my above comment, as follows:

** "Hillary voted for the Iraw war
Hillary voted for the Patriot Act
Hillary voted for the bankuptcy bill
Hillary voted to authorize war with Iran; parse it any way you like you will never convince me otherwise
Hillary gave a pass on all of Herr Bushie's shitty judges
Hillary voted for the military commissions act

Hillary is a #@%&##! neocon. That's why the MI/Banking complex would be thrilled to have her as Pres, but they'll settle for McCain. "**

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