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May 30, 2015

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Peter G

In what context I ask would Will place the ending of slavery, women's suffrage, civil rights for minorities, protection from discrimination based on sexual orientation? Would he claim these are the inevitable product of conservative cogitation? Of course he will but not until gay marriage is a fact and the battle lost. History has its cadences and it's ebbs and flows. Throwing Japanese and other immigrants in concentration camps and deprviving them of all constituional rghts seemed like a good idea in WW II. On reflection not such a good idea. So bad an idea in fact that only the smallest minority of assholes suggested it as a policy post 9/11 with regard to Muslims. American history does, nevertheless, have a trend and it is a trend I admire. It just isn't a trend any conservative can clam any sort of credit for. Their ideological duty is to act as a sheet anchor against such novelties as allowing Blacks to be 100 percent human.

As to this whole growing theory of micro- agrressions my personal view is that it is the purest undiluted horseshit. I am willing to bear consequences of my written and spoken words and to self censor as I see fit. But I will be damned if I will submit to the prior restraint of every hot house flower who would like to exert control over everyone's words and thoughts. If you can't shout someone down you whine them down I cordially invite them to kiss my ass.

Daniel Loftus

I can remember when I was a high school student in Ohio and freedom of speech on campus was being muzzled by Nixon and Rhodes and armored personnel carriers and soldiers with loaded M-16s.

Bob

Will is seldom in such a snit, but his delicate sensibilities are selectively overwrought. The idea that higher education is full of commie proselytizers is a never-miss golden oldie for conservatives, and he must have felt under pressure to outdo all previous wailing and gnashing of teeth to add some shine. There's more than one side to the story of student political indoctrination however.

The president of Purdue University since 2012 has been conservatives' conservative Mitch Daniels, former Bush II hit man of OMB and Governor of Indiana. Duhbya's nickname for him was "The Blade" because he was so good at budget cutting to make room for new tax cuts. As governor he displayed a flair for attempting to ban books that boomeranged similarly to his budget finagling: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/11/06/howard-zinn-read-in-mitch-daniels/3460615/

Then there's our new fourth branch of American government the Koch family, whose purse strings seem ever more entangling. "Koch proselytizing of government deregulation and pro-business civics is increasingly targeted not just at creatures of Capitol Hill, or couch sitters in swing states, but at the hearts and minds of American college students, as well." http://www.publicintegrity.org/2014/03/27/14497/inside-koch-brothers-campus-crusade

Maybe the prospect of having to eventually defend one of the Republican presidential candidates has given poor George both the vapors and a fever.

David & Son of Duff

So, cutting through the waffle, can I be rude about blacks - yes or no?

(Yes, I'm back from my hols and I do know how much you missed me!)

Bob

Only if we can picture you as a pallid, chinless twit with protruding crooked teeth and wearing a bowler, monocle and brolly tucked under an arm walking like you have a stick up your ass.

shsavage

You may indeed be rude about Blacks, or any other group you wish to be rude to or about. But why would you wish to be? Why prove you're an asshole, when by your judicious silence you can leave us wondering?

David & Son of Duff

Oh goodie-goodie because I was getting the distinct impression that 'over there', in the Land of the Free(!), you cannot be rude to or about any group other than middle-aged whites.

Bob, please feel free to picture me anyway you wish but you are spot on with the crooked teeth. Alas, the result of post-war 1940s dentistry but, even so, I prefer them to those 'fright white teeth' favoured by your TV presenters and Hollywood stars. Anyway, at the age of 75 they're all mine!

Savage, personally I don't wish to be rude about them or many other people come to that, well, an exception can be made for Left-wing humbugs who never stop ranting about freedom of speech, er, provided that it is speech authorised by the Central Committee!

shsavage

Well, it's nice to know you have your reasons...

Bob

I always suspected as much. By the way, did you know that "Duff" is the beer of our beloved cartoon character Homer Jay Simpson? The writers wanted to imply cheap stuff consumed by lowbrows who sit around on their backsides a lot. One of our Americanisms you see.

David & Son of Duff

Alas, Bob, I must be the only person in the Anglosphere who has never watched a single episode of the Simpsons. However, I regularly receive birthday cards with 'Duff beer' jokes on them. Anyway, if I want to watch cartoons I can always tune in to CNN or MSNBC!

Peter G

You can be as rude as you like about whomever you like subject of course to whatever limitations our host may care to place on what is his website. But I must say that you have chosen particularly badly a venue if you want to make any sort of argument about a central committee making decisions regarding what may or may not be spoken or written. No one to my knowledge has ever advocated any such restraint here and presumably we are all members of this central committee that troubles you so. Hope you enjoyed your holiday in socialist hell.

David & Son of Duff

I was writing in the *general* sense, as per our host's post, and raising a theoretical point rather than a particular one, Peter.

For example, could I be rude about black people in, say, Baltimore, or the average 'liberal' arts university? Would you and Bob and Savage and even our host leap to my defence in the interests of safeguarding free speech?

Jest askin'!

David & Son of Duff

One more thing, Peter. France may not be exactly a "socialist hell" but it is a sad, tired, scrofulous, rundown, socialist-run dump!

A bit like, I fear, many Democrat-dominated big cities in the USA.

Bob

Your loss. The Simpsons is not only a better source for news but much more entertaining.

Bob

Please visit Baltimore and be as loudly rude to the biggest group of black people you can find. I'll leap to your defense. Honest.

Peter G

Have at 'er. May I recommend a soapbox in downtown Detroit. It's not far away from me at least and if you give me a date and time for your performance I will offer to cover your remains with the flag of your choice. I have always wondered why some of those who advocate free speech , as I frankly do, think that it must be without consequence. I have no illusions about it myself. Who do you imagine will guarantee that your rights in this regard other than the state in which you speak? You must hope the powers of the state are are big enough and fast enough to protect your ass should you take me up on my offer.

Peter G

Sounds like the perfect holiday choice for you. Did someone compel you to go?

Bob

Monsieur Duff is practicing what is called "the bravery of being out of range." Easy to accuse and insult on a blog while theoretically anonymous. Not so much in more real circumstances. He was probably cheering from behind Maggie's skirt during the 1982 Falklands War too.

David & Son of Duff

Thank you, Gentlemen, you confirm my suspicion that mob rule is endemic in American cities and free speech is dead. So, will you all please agree never to talk about 'the Land of the Free' and 'American exceptionalism'! I don't mind American faults, we all have them, but it's your preaching and prating that grates.

Peter G

That's okay David. You confirm my suspicions about your intellectual capabilities. Who selects a holiday destination such as you have described?

David & Son of Duff

I don't know who would select such a holiday destination, Peter, because we were invited by a very dear old friend who lives there!

Bob

Actually I'm with you on the "Land of the Free" and "American exceptionalism" hooey. It's what conservative politicians used to rally the easily excitable behind dubious policies. However, the ideas that mob rule is alive and free speech is dead are evidence of profound ignorance.

shsavage

It's so much fun to poke the pet troll, ain't it? Every blog needs one...

David & Son of Duff

"However, the ideas that mob rule is alive and free speech is dead are evidence of profound ignorance."

Try telling 'em that in Baltimore!

Bob

Would you kindly name the mob currently running Baltimore and just exactly who is not free to speak? There was a riot exaggerated by our thrill pushing media. It is now over.

Bob

I give David points for persistence and his own inner consistency.

David & Son of Duff

Mobs tend not to have names, Bob, but you know them when you see them! Just go to Baltimore and say something uncomplimentary about blacks, or try your local college campus and tell them that 'gay' marriage is a self-deluding sham.

Er, but don't hang around to ask the mob what their name is!

Bob

Well there is the Mafia for example, but point taken. So cite any evidence that a nameless mob is running Baltimore.

Why would I want to say anything uncomplimentary about black people or gay marriage in general? And who is "them?" You're beginning to sound a bit paranoid.

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