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November 10, 2017


Roy Moore's behavior is the dirty secret of the rural South. There's absolutely nothing unusual about it down the the Bible Belt. My ex-wife's grandmother was married at the age of 12 to a 40-year-old man and her daughter, my ex-wife's mother, not only married at the same age to a 30-year-old but had had all four of her children by the age of 18. That's in Lee County, Virginia, the heart of Appalachian coal country and the present-day opioid epidemic. This is the behavior they men when they talk about "traditional family values".

Alabama State Auditor Jim Ziegler commented on these allegations thusly, “Take Joseph and Mary. Mary was a teenager and Joseph was an adult carpenter. They became parents of Jesus. There’s just nothing immoral or illegal here. Maybe just a little bit unusual.”

What I don't find unusual is that the GOP is defending this behavior, which they don't find offensive at all, merely unfortunate that it became public. Age of consent is incredibly important in Alabama. An individual who is 19 years old or older has sexual contact with someone who is younger than 16 but older than 12 has committed sexual abuse. No worries, Joseph and Mary...

What I find more surprising is that in defending Moore, Ziegler, who is a Bible-thumper of the Southern Baptist persuasion, denied in his defense that Jesus is the Son of God and the Virgin Birth, both of which are central to his creed. Neither of these little theological difficulties seems to have occurred to him. Neither will it occur to the rest of the Evangelical horde that empowers today's GOP.

Lies, lies,lies I did no such thing with that underage girl who wanted it....the hussy temptress, says Moore and every other scumbag. For myself I think many observers like Dricey are right. Or sshsavage. They will find a way to justify and stand united in the face of embarrassing exposure.

Me, I'm working on a way to monetize Republican behavior. I'd like to market a new game for the whole family. It's called Eeewww! You have to figure out what the Republican politician did. Was it the Senator in a closet with an underage girl? Or the House speaker in the gym with an underage boy? I even have a British edition worked out. Was it the conservative prime minister in the whore house with an underage whore? Fun for the whole family.

As a commentator so succinctly put it on MSNBC yesterday, the only things to worry about down there are a dead girl or a live boy.

"Fake News"!

These people are in an information bubble of Fox and Friends and religious broadcasting and the friends on Facebook where reality does not intrude. Reality = "Fake News".

Many establishment Republicans, including Alabama Governor Kay Ivey and current Washington pols who had previously opposed Moore, have dropped any pretense of support. There is an attempt underway to force Moore off the ticket and replace him with Luther Strange, Moore's primary opponent, as a write-in candidate. However, by Alabama law Moore's name would remain on the ticket. If this results in splitting the Republican vote, Democrat Doug Jones has a chance to take the Senate seat.

Why talk about this only in the context of politics? It's rampant world-wide and crosses socioeconomic lines, ethnicities, and races. But of course it is people in power that have been especially able to avoid "capture."(Hilarious comment by our host above)
And of course the problem with Moore and other politicians is that they seek to represent us as leaders. So I'm extremely glad if they get caught. But it does seem like a watershed moment in the U.S. where so many victims are coming forward now. And many abusers who have not yet been accused must be feeling very uneasy right now. I want the news media and others to stay on this. It's time our culture got a shake up. But most important is what it can do to enlighten potential victims so that they know better how to shut down someone who would coerce them and victimize them. There are a few moments in my past where I wish I had known how forcefully and effectively I could have defended myself. It would have felt good.

Well, to answer my own question above, we talk about politics here so never mind my silly question. :)

What's bothering me the most about all of these revelations of sexual misconduct is the entirely predictable right wing politicization of them. The same right wing defenders of Roy Moore were crowing just a few days ago about Anthony Weiner (another unfortunate pun) beginning his prison sentence for basically doing the same thing only online. When the accused is a democratic politician or a democratic donor in Hollywood, it's horrible, yet typical behavior for the left. If the accused is a right wing bible thumper or obnoxious presidential candidate who was caught on tape bragging about it, It's fake news and some nefarious plot by out of power democrats. Their rubes fall for it every time, and if the victory of the snatch snatcher in chief is any guide, I have no reason to believe this creep will lose. Sexual abuse of any kind is one subject that should never, ever be politicized under any circumstances, but of course the right does it anyway, which shows what lowlifes they are. Sexual abuse is not just something that democrats and their supporters do. As anyone whose been through it will know, it happens everywhere in all walks of life, every aspect of society. The Catholic church, sports, school, the home, anywhere. When a man in power's little head takes over his thinking, political and religious views never factor into the equation.

"But it does seem like a watershed moment in the U.S. ... It's time our culture got a shake up."

This is exactly what is happening, and it seems many, probably most, feel it is here. There will be no going back.

Why does it always remain to Atheists (or Buddhists like myself) to remind Christians of their fundamental doctrines. Perpetual Virginity of Mary is one of the big ones.

It is depressing whenever it comes to light. Louis C.K.? Dammit. I liked him. And looked at what happened with Wiseltier over at The New Republic. Leading intellectual and first rate asshole.

Say does anybody know when the Republicans are going to allocate millions to get to the bottom of these allegations. Surely they don't plan on letting fake news organization do this investigation? This definitely calls for public hearings as well as an FBI investigation. They wouldn't want a sexual predator wandering around the Senate would they? The House? No problem. But the Senate? They should take a wide stance on this.

Now I know they are a little busy not investigating the the deaths of four Americans in Benghazi...oops, I mean Niger. But when may we expect they will get to determining the 'if true' part.

I know it's depressing as hell. I liked Louis C.K. too. It's of course not all men, but a depressing amount of men with wealth and power it seems.

"Wide stance!" That was too funny! Of course on a serious note, they won't do a damn thing and probably end up standing by their man.

"Innocent until proven guilty is for criminal convictions, not elections. I believe Leigh Corfman. Her account is too serious to ignore. Moore is unfit for office and should step aside." - Mitt Romney in a tweat this morning.

See Stephen Colbert's scathing take-down from last night (sorry, from this machine I can't link). An awful lot of Christians - Catholics, lapsed-Catholics, Protestants of numerous striped - are infuriated by this perversion of basic Christian tenants. I've seen a lot of outrage on some conservative sites. Those extreme, fake-Christians who attempted to justify Moore's pedophilia are the definition of selling one's soul to the devil.

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