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November 09, 2018

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Max

Those who value your insights will stay with you, and I will stay with you no matter whether I agree or disagree on your choice of Democratic nominee. I don't know if you are right about Joe's age being an asset. But I read recently (can't remember where) that the candidate Trump and his campaign most fear is: Joe Biden. We already know Trump's 2020 campaign will be the ugliest in American history.

shsavage

All in all, though, I wasn't very impressed with Sully's latest. Aside from the points you highlighted, PM, it seems to me he was ignoring most of the ramifications of the election at the national, and especially at the state level. But he is prone to the vapors, so I tend to give him a pass, at least on occasion.

shsavage

By way of touching further on things Sully missed, check out Kevin Drum's latest:

https://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2018/11/15-reasons-why-democrats-crushed-republicans-this-week/

Sully barely acknowledges most of these.

Peter G

Hell I'm on board. Old white guy? Yes. All around decent human being. Far more important.

Anne J

Joe Biden was my first choice last time and is my first choice again.

Peter G

Whenever I read a piece by Andrew Sullivan I get the impression that he has never owned a mirror. Or read any of his own work from years past. His criticisms of the Democrats over the years essentially consist of lamenting that they just aren't sexist or racist enough to have the broad appeal necessary to bring the right people back on board. To this end he has with facile dexterity managed not to notice who he made common cause with. It's not that he wears blinders. He knew who these people were but needed them to be part of his big tent. So he pretended they didn't really exist until they ran the show.

And the proposed cure is always the same. Boy those deplorables are committed. Better give them what they want. That'll make them go away.

ren

If the main knock about his age is the odds that he won't be alive long enough to fill out his term, I'll point out that he's only 4 years older than Trump and with two more years of stuffing Happy Meals down his pie-hole, the same could be said of him. We can dream.

Jason

Been reading his stuff for years, but have been ignoring it more and more since he dropped The Dish. His kneejerk disdain of liberals and identity politics really warps his perspective and ability to see the bigger picture.

Jason

Yes, and he’ll take one minor incident of eye-rolling liberal stupidity at Berkeley or Middlebury and extrapolate that to all Democrats.

David & Son of Duff

I would just like to express my gratitude to you, Mr. Carpenter, for 'coming clean', as they say. I have wondered for some time who would be your choice and now I know - good ol' Joe'!

I have no views on the man one way or t'other but I can't help wondering in this, er, 'post-modern political world' dominated by somewhat excitable millennials whether he is the man to get the youth vote in? (Er, is "excitable" permitted in this context?)

And please, pretty please, can you not find it in your heart to make a space for, and here I choose my words carefully, dear Ms. Elizabeth Ann Warren? We will need all the laughs we can get in 2020!

Max

Kevin Drum's piece was far superior, of course. It's really too bad you missed Sullivan in his prime, 2003 (when he had his conversion experience) until he retired his blog a few years back. Sullivan got Obama earlier than most and was one of Obama's sharpest defenders (hold that thought), and was far more effective at skewering the right than most left-of-center pundits. That was then, yes. But it was inspiring, and it would be unfair not to note this.

Max

Excellent piece by Chait, "Trump is Trapped, and Trying to Protect Himself at All Costs" http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/11/trump-is-trapped-and-trying-to-protect-himself-at-all-costs.html

Among other insights, Chait makes a far more clear case than the conventional wisdom about Clinton's 1998 impeachment.

He closes with, "From the very beginning, when Donald Trump and his father ignored demands from the Nixon Justice Department that they stop discriminating against African-Americans, through his repeated tax fraud and financial scams, legal impunity has formed the through-line of his career. Holding him accountable serves not only Democrats’ self-interest but the rule of law. That process begins now."

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Duncan

I like Joe Biden but women will not be excited to vote for him (Anita Hill) nor will waffling (who, me?) racists (Obama's VP) nor will young people who want at least the idea of change.

The last election sadly showed that we're still a fairly racist country. And that centrists win, and that women are powerful.

Amy Klobuchar, who can deliver the northern midwest and motivate women, seems by far the best possible 2020 candidate. I hope she'll run. I hope journalists will start talking about her.

If I'm missing something - please educate me.

Halster

Joe Biden is the right person at the right time. He can appeal to Middle America and will hit the ground running in office. No on-the-job training required.

Age is not the problem since he's only 3 1/2 years older than Trump. Even his so called gaffes are not an issue anymore considering the language coming out of the WH. As far as firing up the youth vote, I voted for plenty of "old guys" when I was young. He can choose an up and comer as running mate to whom he can pass the torch.

Max

"No on the job training needed" will be one potent slogan heading into the primaries.

To start with, comparing Cory Booker to Kamala Harris in the Kavanaugh hearings is like Kenny G. going up against John Coltrane. Harris is a barracuda. Booker is a lightweight, a preening narcissist. Much as I like Harris, are there 270 Electoral votes in her future? Same with the fine Amy Klobuchar; it is hard to see her garnering 270 Electoral votes, but maybe I'm wrong. It won't be Liz Warren. The Mueller investigation will be unkind to Sanders. (Thankfully the rest of the '20 field will call out his bullshit that was not called out in '16, in the vain hopes of garnering voters in the fall.)

Remember that all the hype right up until January, 2020 in Iowa, and that by New Hampshire, the field will have been reduced by 75%. The early primary process is always ruthless. Whoever wins the nomination will have earned it. That is a big plus going up against Trump.

Maybe this won't be a problem, maybe the white left will have no more stomach making perfect the enemy of good, but there is a portion of Democratic left that would prefer to lose with a woman than win with a man. The death wish is strong within the white left. Again, maybe I'm wrong, but this issue will ultimately not be avoided. And who knows what 2019 will bring us; maybe those who say the shit will finally hit the fan will have been right?

Anne J

I don't understand the concern over the youth vote. Wasn't Bernie Sanders popular with young people in 2016?

Max

Sanders was the breakout "progressive" rock star; to his audience his age was another indication of his authenticity. To the rest of us in the reality-based, non-unicorn world there were and are so many other objections that his age was fairly down the list.

Peter G

What an elegant way to tell someone they are something impolite and currently not allowed.

Halster

I don't either, Anne. It just seems to be a weird talking point these days. There was only a 13-31% turnout from the 18-29 crowd last Tuesday, depending on which source you want to go with.

Halster

I agree with your assessments of Harris, Klobuchar, Warren, and Booker in particular. And I used to be a Bernie fan until his presidential run exposed him as a self-important demagogue. Mueller's investigation aside, I don't think he's going to get a free ride again.

Unforced errors by the utopia seeking far left have been the norm over the years. For all our sakes, I hope the sound of shit hitting the fan drowns them out.

Anne J

Bernie Sanders, like Ron Paul is one of those politicians that have a strong following among the young who haven't had enough experience with reality yet.

Peter G

I don’t think you are necessarily missing anything but considering the number of women who voted for Trump it might be a little presumptuous to say who women will be willing to vote for given who the alternative will be. I have to say though that I like the idea of Klobuchar or Harris being on the ticket.

The Dark Avenger

Yawn.

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Ivory Bill Woodpecker

How does the blog owner propose Biden deal with the issue of his questionable performance in the confirmation hearings of Justice Clarence "Uncle Ruckus" Thomas (the Anita Hill issue)?

Peter G

What is the Republican talking point here? Biden is almost as bad as us?

Max

If you remember the Thomas hearings, there was much more going on than was reported. If Biden runs, maybe more will finally come out. Professor Hill's views will matter. It's reasonable to believe some resolution will take place if Biden runs. Remember and take comfort in knowing whoever wins what will be the most scrutinized Democratic primary, ever, will have earned it.

J.P. McJefferson

Alot has already been said here, but I'll add a thought. I had originally thought that Joe Biden was too old at 75, but maybe not. I was really inspired by his eulogy for McCain (https://goo.gl/C28c3g) and it hit me that he is one of the few people that could make sense out of the Democratic Party and bring the various factions of the Party together. It really is about gravitas, character, experience, and ability to communicate. The key to the negative age factor is to bring on a powerful and dynamic VP that can be there if things go bad. Mitch Landrieu, Sally Yates, & Kamala Harris all come to mind as excellent VP choices. Now, how about Beto?

After the likes of Trump-Pence this country needs a massive injection of common sense, good behavior and racial, ethnic & political decency if were ever going to get it back on track. I think Biden could do that. We need to get started on #RebuildingUS.

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