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March 25, 2019

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Anne J

They lied and they're getting away with it. And now, true to form, the Republicans are all set to go after you-know-who again. When will this unnecessary nightmare be over?

Joseph Ernst

I can't imagine the legal twisting that explained away the Trump Tower meeting and the subsequent lies to explain away the actual purpose for the meeting. Is it that quid pro quo can't be absolutely established?

Or, "Russia, if you're listening ...".

Or, "I love Wikileaks!"

Is it legal if you conspire in the open?

Max

Barr is doing precisely what Trump hired him to do. It's not a winning hand, though, as the items will all come out, drip-by-drip.

Whitewall

Well I see mental illness is deepening on the Left.

Jason

It’s true, total corruption combined with creeping authoritarianism tends to provoke anxiety and depression in decent minded people.

Anne J

And it does no good here to belittle and stigmatize mental illness considering what our host has been going through and what millions of other people go through as well. I'd rather be stuck dealing with my disorder than be the kind of person who belittles people with real mental illness any day.

Whitewall

Clinical mental illness is a tragedy. Self inflicted political mental illness is just that- self inflicted.

Anne J

Love of country is not mental illness.

Jason

Mmmkay... and what are the symptoms of “self-inflicted political mental illness? I couldn’t find it in my copy of the DSM.

Max

From the Borowitz Report:

"William Barr Reads “Moby-Dick,” Finds No Evidence of Whales; The Attorney General indicated that he hoped his report would put an end to 'reckless speculation' about the existence of whales in the book"

WASHINGTON Attorney General William Barr has just read the classic American novel “Moby-Dick,” by Herman Melville, and found that the book contains “no evidence whatsoever of whales,” Barr stated on Tuesday.

The Attorney General issued his statement on the absence of whales in the Melville classic in a two-paragraph book report released to the news media.

“Those who read ‘Moby-Dick’ looking for whales will be sorely disappointed,” Barr wrote. “There are no whales here.”

To illustrate his point, Barr quoted the book’s first sentence: “Call me Ishmael.”

“As you can clearly see, that sentence does not have a whale in it,” Barr wrote.

The Attorney General indicated that he hoped his report would put an end to “reckless speculation” about the existence of whales in “Moby-Dick.” “It’s time to move on,” he wrote.

Barr disclosed that, after waiting years to read “Moby-Dick,” he was able to finish reading it in approximately fifteen minutes.


https://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/william-barr-reads-moby-dick-finds-no-evidence-of-whales

Marc McKenzie

Stop projecting.

Whitewall

Quit digging. It only gets worse.

Max

More projecting.

Keith

Whatever happened to the presumption of innocence ? Is it only for leftest ? Criminalizing political disagreement will destroy our republic. But maybe that’s the plan. Sow the wind and reap the whirlwind .

Max

But but but BENGHAZIIIIII!!

Keith

As is frequently stated here when when y’all have nothing else to say , thts what about ism

Max

This from someone who calls our 44th President a Muslim, whom you "despise."

BENGHAZIIIIII!!

Jason

Keith, the issue here isn’t the presumption of innocence; it’s the complete lack of transparency throughout this process and the administration as a whole. It’s as if Trump, the A.G., the rest of his Trump’s appointees, and most Republican members of Congress really don’t want the public to know what evidence there is regarding all possible manner of corruption. Why is that? Trump is clearly a pathological liar. We have mounds of evidence in the public record of this. This is simply indisputable. And so Trump has no credibility, and that goes for his appointees as well. We can’t believe them. And so we have to rely on actual evidence, which they’re doing all they can to stonewall. Why is that? Also, why did the Russians want Trump elected so badly? And why won’t Republicans pursue that line of inquiry?

Release the Mueller report.

Release Trump’s tax returns.

Problem solved.

Max

From Twitterland: Imagine if the Starr Report had been provided only to President Clinton's Attorney General, Janet Reno, who then read it privately and published a 4-page letter based on her private reading stating her conclusion that President Clinton committed no crimes.

To which one Monica Lewinsky tweeted: if. fucking. only.

Keith

I said he had jug ears too, now defend him.

Keith

Starr was an independent council , he reported to the congress. Mueller is a special council he reports to the AG and his crooked deputy. Silly comparison.

Keith

Stonewall ? Orangeman has called for the full release of the Mueller Report. The special council report goes to AG. That’s what the law says. Before it can be released it will need to be redacted to protect the folks who were just caught up in the net. Do you assume every one questioned was guilty ?
Still waiting for some proof Putin wanted Trump, why would he when he already bought Hilliary. But thanks for a calm response.

Max

Apt comparison actually. Starr keeps proving to be a slimy hypocrite to boot.

Jason

I understand the need for redaction before full public release, but that’s not what Barr has indicated. And I believe the House Intelligence Committee can still receive an unredacted report. In any case, if Barr said, “We need two weeks to comb through it and redact any information that would pose a national security risk,” then fine, but that’s not what he’s doing.

Trump did say to release the report. Let’s see how long he sticks to that. As you seem to acknowledge, since you didn’t argue otherwise, he’s a pathological liar, so I wouldn’t be surprised if backtracks and then claims he never said to release it. We’ll see.

Every national security apparatus has said that the Russians helped elect Trump. Also, why have those in Trump’s orbit lied about their contact with Russia and the nature of those contacts? Why was Manafort sharing polling data with them? We could go on...

Also, Trump’s tax returns. What’s he hiding?

Max

Commendable especially when you're dealing with infantile bullshit like "Still waiting for some proof Putin wanted Trump, why would he when he already bought [sic] Hilliary."

Max

Best President since Truman.

Jason

It really is fascinating the extent of denial, obfuscation, and tortured reasoning they’ll go through to try to pretend that Trump is actually a decent person and god President. The majority of Americans still grounded in reality can see plain as day what a sleazeball he is, but that 40%—yeesh, it’s something to behold. Basically, there’s this giant brainwashed cult living among us.

Jason

*good President (or maybe I did mean “god President”?)

Max

Great Freudian slip; they mean that, all right. It's the hate, of course. Anything to own the Libs.

Peter G

I wonder what Mueller report Whitewall and Keith read? None of course but they were told briefly by Trump appointee Barr what to believe. So they do. Had this been Obama or his appointees I wonder what they would say. I suspect we know. I doubt they will scare off Pelosi.

Keith

No P G I would never attempt to scare a silly old woman. My momma would be ashamed.
I have not seen the Mueller report, nor has anyone here. Has Mueller denied the Barr synopsis. The left has considered Mueller to be their Messiah. So disappointed ,whomp, whomp.
If we were told Barack was innocent of his many crimes, we would say Oh well, more of the same. The left can ignore the law at will, what’s new?
Whom the gods would destroy,they first make mad. Trump derangement syndrome has metastasized the left. Who’s gonna save them now ?

Peter G

I have an idea. Let’s read it. And let us keep asking why it isn’t being released if, as Trump says, it completely exonerates him.

Jason

Keith, right, once the FBI found Hillary not guilty of any crimes, the right has totally let it go. They stopped chanting “Lock her up!”, ceased with further congressional investigations, graciously apologized for viciously attacking her, and have maturely stated that, though we have differences in our political views, we’re all good-hearted patriotic Americans.

Keith

Jason,,The FBI did not find Hills not guilty, that’s not their job. The courts would have to do that. Comey , after listing her crimes , just decided not to prosecute. Do try to keep up.

Jason

Ok, I see we’re going to get pedantic here, as well as condescending. Comey didn’t list any crimes. If he had, that would be an indictment that would then get tried in court.

Anyway, my main point still stands. It’s not that I need to keep up; it’s that I’m about to lap you.

Keith

Tried to respond yesterday .but seems to have gotten lost in the ether. Don’t see why what I said was pedantic , the law is pretty clear “ as I understand it”
Comey investigates , AG’s office would take it to grand jury, if an indictment is returned AG would prosecute. Maybe a law dog here has a different understanding, if so please enlighten me.
In my opinion, the FBI and Obama’s AG office were compromised , in the bag for Hilliary. Do you think Mueller and 18 angry democrat lawyers as well as 40 some odd FBI investigators are all , covering for the Donald ?
As for condescending, I do apologize , you have been nothing but pleasant and reasonable. It was late and In vino stupidass.

Jason

In kind, I also apologize for escalating things. We both sounded like a couple of juvenile bullies in a pissing match. In vino stupidass, lol.

No, I don’t think they’re covering for Trump, nor do I think the FBI or the AG were covering for Obama or Hillary. Anyone, Democratic or Republican, who’s engaged in conspiracy mongering needs to knock it off. Conspiracists only discredit themselves and the ideologies with which they’re aligned.

I do think Trump is a pathological liar and a sleazebag who is only motivated by his own money, power, and status. I believe he’s perfectly happy to sacrifice the economic and security interests of the nation to advance his own wealth. The evidence is amply clear on that. I also strongly suspect that he and his people accepted Russia’s assistance, even if they didn’t closely coordinate with the Russians, which, in my book, makes them de facto traitors. With that, I think that the ones whose activities rose to the level of prosecutorial crimes have already been dealt with by Mueller. Now things turn to Congress and the SDNY.

Otherwise, as a matter of transparency and accountability, a properly redacted report needs to be presented to the public ASAP, and an unredacted report needs to be presented to the House Intelligence and Justice Committees immediately, as has long been precedent. Until then, I’ll reserve further judgment.

Jason

P.S. Trump is now against releasing the report. Is anyone surprised?

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