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October 25, 2019

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Hewitt's attempts to make a virtue of a necessity notwithstanding at least he provided some unintentional humor in his argument. Lowry's argument is even more disingenuous. The idea that any of these Republican Senators would put the health of their party over their personal political ambitions is beyond ludicrous. Anybody who watched Trump sequentially gut them like fish while all the rest of them pretended to nobly look the other way has a pretty good idea of where they all think the greater good lies.

Although mobsters like to fondly reminisce about the old days when omerta ruled they were all bullshitting about it being a matter of honor. It was always about what was going to happen to you or your family if you didn't keep your trap shut. The same personal fear is driving the Republicans to behave as they are. And they know who will punish them if they become a rat.

I tend to agree with your assessment of chances that Republicans would vote to convict. More than just "tend". But there is this (from Jennifer Rubin today)

"Even the unctuous Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.) could not actually include a condemnation of the House in his worthless resolution. It was more like a request for the House to be more transparent. Apparently, anything stronger was not going to keep Republicans together.

"As things stood Thursday afternoon, the Hill reported, “The GOP senators not co-sponsoring the resolution as of Thursday afternoon, according to a list from Graham’s office, are: Sens. Mitt Romney (R-Utah), Susan Collins (R-Maine), Lisa Murkowski (R-Alaska), Cory Gardner (R-Colo.), Lamar Alexander (R-Tenn.), Mike Enzi (R-Wyo.), Johnny Isakson (R-Ga.), Dan Sullivan (R-Alaska) and Rob Portman (R-Ohio).” That might be a good starting list for senators who just might convict in a Senate trial."

They gave up long term thinking years ago. I think it Rove who plunged them into tactical rather than strategic thinking. He of "That's the next guy's problem" fame.

At the risk of sounding like a conspiracy nut, as I recall when the Russians hacked the DNC, they also hacked the GOP. (Correct me if I'm wrong.) And I've often wondered if many of these weasels and wusses are actually living in fear of what might be revealed if they don't "keep their trap shut" and go along with it all.

There is an interesting dynamic going on right now between Trump and Senate Republicans. I saw this tweet from Oct 23 from Trump (courtesy of an article by Susan Glasser of the New Yorker)

"The Never Trumper Republicans, though on respirators with not many left, are in certain ways worse and more dangerous for our Country than the Do Nothing Democrats. Watch out for them, they are human scum!"

Trump is rattled, and realizes that his lifeline consists of Senate Republicans. So he views Senate defectors as more dangerous than even Democrats. Where have we seen this before? I am reminded of Stalin's purges which came down on members of the communist party who Stalin judged were insufficiently loyal.

In calling potential Republicans "human scum", he is channeling Hitler, who frequently used that term. He is trying to exercise the raw power of a dictator, and trying to hold his troops in line exclusively with that power.

My impression is that he is overplaying his hand. Conditions in the US are not as dire as they were in Hitler's Germany or Stalin's Russia. His attempts to browbeat Republican Senators may turn out to be counterproductive without Trump's absolute power to back up his threats. There is a long way to go in this impeachment process, and if Republicans decide to abandon Trump, it will likely happen very suddenly.

To borrow from PM:: "the least informed, most backward of American citizens who abhor both reality and progress" have got your number. They know what you think of them which is why they voted for Trump, and why they will vote for Trump again. Up yours.

The Deplorables will decide the next election. They have a vote and they know how to use it.

You academics, thinkers, rich educated people, poor educated people, can look down on others but never for a moment think that it goes unnoticed. You helped elect Trump. You'll get him back.


All they ever really wanted was respect for their ignorance and racism and sexism and other deplorabilites. Was that too much to ask? Why yes. Yes it was.

Mary that may very well be true, but what do you propose? What I mean is how do you go about addressing the willful ignorance and bigotry and hypocrisy and disproportionate rage and double standards without calling it out for exactly what it is? They don't want to hear anything they don't want to hear and what they're doing and going along with is getting people hurt at this point.

The problem is for most of them a person's attempting to speak respectfully or gently or in polite dissent only reads as "weakness" to them. They really do see anyone not like them as "the enemy". Not fellow citizens but foes. It's war to them. Which is horrifying but it's true. Talking to them with any subtlety these days is liking taking a Q-Tip to a knife fight.

Yes, and if the reality of Trump was not bad enough, Mary insists that we "thinkers and poor educated people" are must bear full responsibility for the fact that he is president.

To, Mary, I also say "up yours".

Ideally Freesia, people would put aside their rage and aim for some kind of unity and common purpose. These days it appears that we are so polarised. We can't tolerate opposing views and the middle ground no longer exists. No one wishes to hear what they don't wish to hear. No one listens anymore.

I've consistently had a problem with demonising and belittling forty percent of the population. The emergence of Trump was a long time coming but it was inevitable. Trump's supporters see him as a man who speaks for them and cares about how their lives have fallen apart. Of course, he doesn't but he's got these people rusted on now and they're going along with him to the end.

My "up yours" was not directed at this blogs' readers. In fact, it wasn't even intended to be mine but it obviously touched a nerve! And no, you're not entirely responsible for Trump but these attitudes do put peoples backs up and cement their sense of grievance to a point where they can't be budged.

I do enjoy your colourful analogies, Freesia. I don't know how you think them up but you seem to have an endless supply. You've made me laugh on this Sunday morning. So thanks.

My dentist touches nerves too. At least she does it for valid reasons in a good cause.

I'm glad you laughed Mary. :-)

The thing about these people (and I may be wrong but I believe the number is actually more around 30%) is that their perceived grievances are not new. Some of them (the Southerners) go back as far as the Civil War. And the others you can clock from around the late 60s. But they've been singing the same song forever and it only has 2 verses: "We want our country back!!", followed by "It's (fill in the blank) fault that we can't have it!"

Yes, Trump is the Messiah they've been waiting for. The Great Pumpkin. But the fact is the only thing that will budge them is if Trump himself betrays them. He betrays them every day, but I'm talking he's caught betraying them so blatantly that he can't tweet himself out of it.

So in the long run I'm not sure it really matters what anyone out here says. They're not reading in places like here on PM's fine blog. They're watching Fox.

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