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August 31, 2024

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Anne J

I still find polls so confusing. Is there usually a difference between polls taken leading up to an election and the results after voters go the actual polls to cast their ballots?

PM

Depends on the election, Anne. The main problem with polling since 2016 has been in undercounting Trump voters. But I still say 2016's were pretty accurate. The problem with them was in interpretation: too many commentators — like me — failed to appreciate the power of the 5% undecided right up to Election Day. Undecided voters tend to go for the challenger.

Anne J

In this election, I don't see Trump as the challenger because we've already seen him as president. But it's the amnesia of the electorate that gives me pause.

VoiceOfReason

The presence of pro-choice constitutional amendments on state ballots this November is a metric that shouldn't be ignored. See https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/abortion-rights-ballot-measures-states-rcna168621 - where NBC noted "Voters in the swing states (Arizona and Nevada), blue-leaning states (Colorado, Maryland and New York) and red-leaning states (Florida, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska and South Dakota) will have the ability to directly decide the future of abortion access this fall." Post-Dobbs history has shown that whenever these initiatives are on the ballot, the GOP loses, which is why the GOP so desperately tries to keep them off the ballot (see Ohio, for example). I can't find much justification for thinking that voters would cast ballots in favor of such, and then vote for Trump. So I'm thinking that at least five states that went for Trump in 2020 will not this time around, because women will come out in large numbers to vote pro-choice. Heck, I even think Ohio is more in play than pollsters seem to.

PM

In Quinnipiac, VoR, 73% of women said the abortion issue is extremely or very important in their presidential choice. (Of course some of them are "pro-life," a wretched description.) Only 53% of men said the same, even though they're the ones who've been pushing harder to strip women of their rights.

Mary

Anne, of course Trump is the challenger. There is no-one else. Hopefully, he'll bomb but the polls are not entirely favourable, especially taking account of your country's eccentric electoral system. That's the way things work though and everybody knows that. You work within the confines of the rules, except when you're Donald Trump.

In reference to a previous post, Kamala Harris can maybe get away with an occasional dissemble, but greater transparency would be the better option. Everyone knows that there is always some degree of pragmatism in political campaigning. Still, (and this is mean and superficial, I know) Josh Shapiro would have been the better running mate. He looks the part and he comes from Pennsylvania. Opportunity lost.

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